[Spinel]

The latest IE6 security update causes IE to crash when trying to viewthe cult. Anybody else experience this?

[Spinel]

Also not related to the update, when trying to post that message I kept getting error 500 messages when trying to post or preview. I was finally able to post it after removing the space inbetween "view the". happened in Firefox too, whats up with that?

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[Overlord]

Spinel, on Dec 12 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

The latest IE6 security update causes IE to crash when trying to viewthe cult. Anybody else experience this?

I may be going out on a limb here, but use another browser?

[Nova]

Spinel, on Dec 12 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

Also not related to the update, when trying to post that message I kept getting error 500 messages when trying to post or preview. I was finally able to post it after removing the space inbetween "view the". happened in Firefox too, whats up with that?

Wait, so you have Firefox and you were using IE6? Why?

[Stoko]

Why would anyone who even half knows what they're doing still be using IE6?

[Sintendo]

At least upgrade to IE7, or something.

[Spinel]

1, I just don't like firefox. 2, I'm not using IE7 becaue of 2 reasons, the fact that the URL and button bars are now fixed and not toolbars and cant be rearranged, file menu bar cant go above URL bar per above reason (I know IE7Pro works around this...) and the main reason is because they changed the behavior of how CJK characters are handled in Unicode. In IE6 they were treated as japanese and the default japanese font applied, in IE7 they get treated as chinese simplified and the default chinese simplified font applied. According to MS it was because of all the chinese in HK and such running XP in english system locale instead of Chinese. Now I either have to switch my system locale to japanese (no fuckin way) or run IE7 with applocale every time (fuck that).

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[Link]

lolilove, on Dec 13 2007, 09:49 PM, said:

For the button bar: who the fuck uses that thing.

Mouse gestures with touchpad ;)

[Stoko]

Spinel, on Dec 13 2007, 05:22 PM, said:

file menu bar cant go above URL bar per above reason (I know IE7Pro works around this...)

TuneUp Utilities also lets you enable that.

[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 13 2007, 02:49 PM, said:

Use IE7, end of story. IE6 sucks.For the button bar: who the fuck uses that thing.

I won't use IE7 unless the japanese unicode problem I mentioned can be fixed, which I don't think it can. The file menu/url bar thing is a minor annoyance.Who uses the button bar? back, forward, stop, refresh, home, etc... your telling me you dont use those buttons at all?

[RattleMan]

Spinel, on Dec 13 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

Who uses the button bar? back, forward, stop, refresh, home, etc... your telling me you dont use those buttons at all?

Backspace, Shift+Backspace, Esc, F5, Alt+Home, etc

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[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 13 2007, 04:55 PM, said:

And japanese characters work fine and dandy as long as the charset type is set correctly, which is dependant on the page not the browser. You have a chinese page set to shiftjis of course it will look crap.

Um no. A Unicode/UTF-8 webpage with no font specified (nearly all don't) and has CJK characters present IE7 will apply the default chinese simplifed font, SimSun to the CJK characters and apply the default japanese font MS PGothic to kana only. which is ugly as fuck and cocks up at small sizes. IE6 and earlier (and firefox) will apply the default japanese font to CJK kanji and kana which is usually MS PGothic.Also applies to Unicode/UTF-8 text files viewed in IE7. IE7 applies the default Chinese simplified text font NSimSun to the CJK characters and default japanese text font MS Gothic to kana only. IE6 applies default japanese text font MS Gothic to CJK characters and kana.

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[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 14 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

You can change font types, retard.Internet Options, General, Font, set both chinese sets to ms (p)gothic.This is officially the stupidest reason I ever saw for using IE6 over IE7.

fuck you boris. I know that, I'm not stupid.However, MS PGothic cant be used as a chinese webpage font, MS UIGothic can but is sized differently and all around generally sucks for web browsing. MS Gothic cant be used as a chinese txt font, only NSimSun is available.

[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 14 2007, 11:45 AM, said:

Both look the same to me. You are making it sound like the one purpose in your life is reading chinese webpages.

japanese, and no it's not the sole purpose. it however, annoys me enough to not use IE7.Also I just checked the IE7 install on my moms laptop, and while MS UI Gothic is available under chinese in IE6, in IE7 its unavailable for selection...

[biggestsonicfan]

Spinel, on Dec 12 2007, 11:18 AM, said:

The latest IE6 security update causes IE to crash when trying to viewthe cult. Anybody else experience this?

Ironicly enough, I encountered this same problem while at work. I had to force a few people to upgrade to IE7 because of this. Firefox will not work with some of the online database management services the company uses, Safari I think does, but bleh.

[THUNDER PUSSY]

I've got an idea... you could get Opera or even better SAFARI!!!

[Soselocke]

Get the MSN browser, I heard it rawks.

[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 14 2007, 02:38 PM, said:

UI Gothic doesnt seem to be available for fixed width fonts, only webpage fonts. (the other column)and if you are visiting japanese pages then why are you complaining about chinese pages looking different.

You obviously weren't paying attention. This applies to unicode encoded pages only. In unicode, there is no difference between chinese characters (Hanzi), japanese kanji and korean hanja it's all the same. Now, in unicode encoded webpages IE6 would assume all han ideographs were japanese and apply the default japanese font, usually MS PGothic. However, in IE7 they changed the behavior. Now all han ideographs in unicode webpages are assumed to be Chinese (simplified) and the default Chinese (simplified) font gets applied, which is usually SimSun. Ofcourse hiragana and katakana are still japanese. So, with IE7 on a japanese unicode encoded webpage you would wave kana with MS PGothic and the kanji stuck with SimSun or some other chinese font.The reason MS gave for changing it is all their programmers on the chinese IE team in HK have their systems set to english locale. And for them they needed to get chinese unicode webpagese to display correctly using chinese fonts. Why the fucking chinese arnt setting their machines to chinese is beyond me.But now japanese unicode webpages don't display using japanese fonts. Their suggestion to me would be to set my system to japanese locale to get the desired behavior. Im not fucking doing that. that would fuck up all my english programs. and i wont run IE with applocale every fucking time either, screw that.And I know the difference between a webpage font and a fixed width text font. UI Gothic and PGothic are webpage fonts with UI being smaller than PGothic. and MS Gothic for fixed width text.

[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 15 2007, 02:13 AM, said:

Jesus fucking christ are you retarded? Change the fucking chinese font to Gothic and it will display all kanji (chinese AND japanese) with MS P/UI/Gothic/whatever. You are just circling around the same problem when you said you already know the fix to it.

Except, like I said already a few posts ago. NONE of the Gothic fonts or any other japanese font are selectable for chinese in IE7. UI Gothic is in IE6 tho but isnt in IE7, and that doesn't help.

lolilove, on Dec 15 2007, 02:31 AM, said:

on my moms IE7 install (I checked earlier today)none of the gothics are selectable for chinese. it was the same when I installed it on my machine some months ago.

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[Spinel]

lolilove, on Dec 15 2007, 02:55 AM, said:

I've just checked the only xp install in the vincity, nothing was selectable under chinese either, but it doesnt have eastern fonts installed so thats probably why.

my machines do and their still not selectable.